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this is outrageous

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welcome everyone to the national UFO

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conference reunion cocktail party and

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dinner very good and here we are well

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that was that was 35 years ago one time

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we were having one of those things in

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New York you know and it ran Jean and I

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sat there for three days talking through

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the 1965 version of what we thought was

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true and we didn't sleep with just

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talked and on the third day he rose no

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that's a difference on the third day his

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father who was a motormen on the train

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oh really yeah knocked on the door

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unknown to anybody my parents were in

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the next room okay nothing funny here

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but he came came in gave me a hard look

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kid you know Jane you haven't been home

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in three days three days we've just been

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sitting here talking for a while

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not a while Jean you've been here for

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three days and three nights 72 hours and

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44 minutes by my and he took him home

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call me oh that object was 40 feet from

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me 100 feet long women that means you

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have to be looking like this right and

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then I say what was the appearance size

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it was like a quarter window how can it

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sing be like a queer or

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lengths to be a hundred feet long and

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thirty feet from you think the details

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aren't adding up what that does is that

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to me really contaminates the database

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looking at your data and makes it much

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terms like rape very very sighs sighs

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great that was the right long and we try

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to do the same thing get just work has

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to be on a scale of zero to ten zero we

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have no idea different I'm virtually

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orally

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what other thing is the follow-up should

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include people in area that haven't had

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Allen can you just talk up a little I

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went over court this I went to hear both

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sides of conversation no no no no I hear

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in the back plus encounter the second

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time very close in my opinion it

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reinforces that seemingly absurd case

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because and I've had that happen where

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something that you look at digitally no

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way no way you know who's this guy of

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having a flashback from the 70s or

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something like that but then you dig

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into an awesome you find out that

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there's some collaborating witnesses out

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there who have seen something maybe a

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different slightly different take but

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they provide some insight

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you've got a look at that extra

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information on the real the real

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challenge we've got though is just

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number one the caseload we have coming

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in that's the problem the caseload we

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have coming in as being able to handle

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and be able to deal with the cases we're

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getting like 300 cases a year with 13

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people now there you're talking quite a

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few cases and that's just no hype I'll

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let you know United Kingdom I don't

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think they have anybody move they had

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three people and I investigated a

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hundred some cases for them a year ago

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because they're investigators when they

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looked over the initial report unless it

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said unless it was like high-profile

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almost like a Rendlesham they didn't

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want touch it

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anyone waste your time and that was the

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problem

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let me get Dave especially under okay I

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wanted to reinforce that we made a

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terrific on the raccoon I do not know

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whether you intend to publish the web or

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not but I hope very much you will

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because I found that vastly more

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interesting than the unsolved but it

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seems to me that okay I mean there are

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solved UFO sightings that are quite for

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now someone does it doesn't recognize it

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that a spa or seafood odd atmospheric

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conditions of years

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that's happened to me also but this one

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it's a fastening but that we know the

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stimulus right and we know the

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construction the witness placed on this

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annulus and practically only the only

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detail that survives intact

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is the four legs but you would think is

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the last thing a person would notice

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upon hitting an animal but why does that

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detail register now it seems to me that

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the at least what I did you follow G

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many years ago the the question of

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things that turned out to have mundane

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stimuli we just sort of wrote off we

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were interested in the unknowns but you

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can learn nothing from the unknowns cuz

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all they are is unknown as from VC

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tastes like that raccoon you can learn

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as a mini cake right like that and

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they're put in this they're not solved

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as as being something other than an

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interventional object yes you have

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answered that question but why a

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presumably sane human being under what

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amounts to ordinary circumstances and in

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the normal state of consciousness or

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even in an honorable most state of

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consciousness conjures up you know if

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you can even said I speak it's worthy of

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study in those cases are essentially

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discards it can put them all together

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they might think is gonna why go here it

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says because the Air Force class not

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just a Leone and what private you have

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even nuclear I eat there now can you

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details do you remember him already

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Fitzgerald it was late

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Sheffield Lake it was evolving this goes

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back 1950s 58 58 roughly there about

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then I excused you guys and yeah what

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would their in and reported an object by

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close to train tracks of which you

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remember right the Alex on by the air

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force was something really in fact or a

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river trailer right here for this was

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this was right it was the nickel plate

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railroad line it was near the lakeshore

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chef you lake is really close to the

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lake she was looking out her front

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window and saw a rather I really did a

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disc-shaped object lighted and some

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other structure I was it was a very for

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the time a very good close encounter

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case and you're right the Air Force said

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it was a tree said it was yes it was the

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Air Force said it was a Mars light on a

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train now on Mars light being a rail

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buff yes yes a red-and-white oscillating

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light it is used in adjacent with the

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regular blinding white headlight for

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visibility now they put ditch lights on

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them and other lights on local levels

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just to deter accidents and and they

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even the Air Force he'd even given the

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explanation saying as a train made the

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little snide comment well the nickel

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plate has a fast break called the Flying

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Saucer but it was a train the Flying

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Saucer was probably the flying saucer

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and the blue book report I mean here's a

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slower car about the size of a car the

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two time uses of time clock years ago

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that was to one main cardis for the

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report lon maybe one or two pages of

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but here's the investigators locally

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that had like 30 pages of documentation

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that was printed and published that they

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did and that's excluding all the other

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research they did behind it so any

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comparing it to

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so you basically prioritized you've

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gotta prioritize what bad part is when

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you get so many cases coming in number

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one it's a judgment call based on what

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what this report is until you get that

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wouldn't the investigator in contact

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with if you can

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the bad part we have now is you may try

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to call the witness up witness sees a

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cellphone number they don't recognize

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you don't respond back you leave a

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voicemail maybe they will emails I don't

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know how many emails I've had bounced

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back when I was doing the ones over in

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England they were actually better United

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States on to answering emails the ones

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over here I mean I could send an email

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out it's almost like everybody's

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antivirus was picking it up it was never

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getting through and it was just losing

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that contact that's just another factor

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in their goes into it but you have to

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make that judgment call unfortunately

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yeah this one looks really good

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this one doesn't and all the MUFON

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investigators are volunteers so when I'm

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driving down the Salt Fork which I went

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down there four times that's on my own

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dime paying all the money out of my own

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pocket for fuel and everything else all

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my investigating tools

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MUFON didn't buy anything my computer

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system at home I've got five monitors up

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oh yeah you look at my system it looks

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like the Starship Enterprise because I

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can have Google Earth here I can have

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solarium here again if another program

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here but it really helps track things

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but here's several thousand dollars out

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of my own pocket for hobby no can you

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say laughs and after analyzing and

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researching all these cases the

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difference between cases going back to

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the 1950s and 60s in the cases today are

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there any big differences that's a good

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question that's out on the way in this

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together because to me when you get

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cases from the 1950s looking at the data

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like in this case in the sky you had

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more pure information I think that then

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because now you've got some of the other

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options today how many planes do we have

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flying around right now we've got the

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ISS we've got all these other things

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back in the 60s I remember in a

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newspaper they published when echo was

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coming over hmm

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now I've got a dig down and do research

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and makes much more challenging well now

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of course of the old days we used to

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subscribe to several newspaper clipping

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services you've got a lot more detail to

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begin with in the newspaper so you knew

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where to start your questioning today

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whatever you see is usually so

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superficial

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you could you could easily bypass a case

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that might have some substance to it

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just looking at the initial little

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report maybe that's filed on the

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national UFO Center and so it's based on

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the witness report where the witness

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says check out the middie which says

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everything yeah

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noted video doesn't say what I really

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need is your story support usually

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there's no there's no details even if

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you see an incredible video there's no

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way of tracking it down nobody ever

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answers there everybody's just got some

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but stupid comment to it Mike yeah and

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that's why I've got a friend and

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fraction of from the contact and Russia

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hmm he sends me on an average of 15

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different YouTube videos a day on UFOs

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because I would rather see something

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come in direct from a witness rather

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than say check out this YouTube video on

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does that happen oh I've got I get

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different people reports it says and

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check out this YouTube video it's great

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well the thing I mean behind that I'm

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not saying it's not potentially a great

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video I would never say that but the

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reality is I need to know exactly where

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you're located what director you're

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looking yeah what time what day it was

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yes temperature conditions I'm going to

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know the details behind that the data

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there's a great feeling if your

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anonymity of the internet it and and

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that's why that's one of my pet peeves

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but now I do like technology on the flip

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side because I had a individual turn in

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a picture of UFOs going across this

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video frame he sent me from he said it

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was Berea where we had Berea and he says

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look at check this out

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and I see a streetlight at the top of a

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streetlight and I see lights going

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across which first impression Chinese

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lanterns well I go and I have software

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that when he sent me his video

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I pulled the video up it told me because

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he had a must make one mistake

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and an iPhone 6 it had GPS in it and it

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impregnated the GPS coordinates he was

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at in the video and he didn't know about

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when you take a digital photograph it

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puts metadata information in your

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photograph and I pull that out when

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somebody sends me a photograph right

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away if it's available I pulled it up in

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there so it showed me not only what type

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of phone he was using it showed me the

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settings it showed me where he was at

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what direction he was looking and I said

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by the way you weren't really where

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North Olmstead and here's the phone with

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the telephone pole years

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and from Google Earth I took the picture

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of the tapas the same photos in this

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video and it's like now what makes you

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want to meet with what what makes me

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want to believe to rescue your story but

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he can tell me where you're at and what

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explanation would that I didn't know

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where they are no explanation he had no

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explanation other maybe in his mind he

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wanted to remain anonymous because he

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saw something so unusual in his mind he

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didn't want a report but there's a whole

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nother psychological scenario for later

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I was five miles away from where the

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video was taken that but I think

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what in his case was more than likely

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that he was saying those his weight

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remaining anonymous he didn't want to

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let people know that he actually know

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but on a flip psycho I like the idea of

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being able to extract that information

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from videos there was just a tremendous

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aid for me because I can go back and I

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did some of works where people send me

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pictures of trailer like trail cams I

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get a lot of it I get ones at night and

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if people say look at these orbs

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floating around well I had five pictures

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come in from southern Ohio orbs orbs

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norms norms orbs when I pulled up the

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metadata information flash fired Flay's

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fired no flash no flash of inflation the

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data right there told me alone all the

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photographs in which deflation fired had

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orbs the ones which not fire and they're

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all taken thin a minute of each other

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couple minutes had no words why because

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the flash is so close to the lens in

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proximity no it's picking up the dust in

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the air

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was causing me orbs can you tell a real

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orb from a dust particle that I'm not an

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expert I won't claim to be the expert on

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that part but the thing I just had to

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look at as the immediately mm-hmm on it

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and if it been another situation of

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where he'd had orbs and every one of

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them and a flesh and fire to not flaky

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fire well then there goes that whole

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and people

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to share just briefly

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you didn't help

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yeah kidding why don't you stand in

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front and turn around and speak well

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what happened the first thing I saw they

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could be classified to see I've never

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seen well I would classify but at this

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time I was standing in the Atlantic

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Ocean

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probably in 1949 or 50 I was 2 or 3

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years old and another kid about my age

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says there goes a soul Wow that my

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friend in my opinion is the most

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significant part of the

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the overall mystery of UFOs it says

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what's going on in people's minds at

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some primal level religion plays a

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Pew survey move unless every time they

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there's also considerable scientific

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evidence that there's something

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hardwired that

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what that kid was interpreting but then

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unfamiliar thing in my country may be a

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well I think I I mentioned the last

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night over supper one of these

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synchronicities that that I found very

379
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significant was that June 24th which is

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the anniversary Kenneth Arnold sighting

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you know 1947 over Mount Rainier is

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anyway a number of people including

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Jackie Gleason Frank Edwards Frank

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Edwards publisher died on that that day

385
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I mean which is a significant day in UFO

386
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history not on the same year but that

387
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seems to be a reoccurring theme there

388
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must be four or five maybe six people

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that have passed away on that that date

390
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well it turns out I found out through

391
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correspondent with Kenneth one of

392
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Kenneth Arnold's daughters and I had

393
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also read this in a newspaper story many

394
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many years ago Kenneth Arnold did not

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believe that the craft that he saw were

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from outer space he thought that they

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were some sort of vessels that were

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taking in the souls of the newly

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departed from this realm over to the

400
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next realm and years ago I did a book

401
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called the passport to heaven and we had

402
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a significant number of cases where

403
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people actually say that they met their

404
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beloved on board a craft there or are

405
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they were abducted and they were there

406
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in

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physical form of course the most famous

408
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would be yam ski which was the case in

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the in England yeah right anyway there

410
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are there are many levels to this

411
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:51,010
mystery right it's just very many levels

412
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to this and most people just go into it

413
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and want to see it from one level they

414
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wouldn't want to see it as a you know

415
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their fingers

416
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from all of those and not go out expect

417
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people find that

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00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,990
this is either a natural phenomenon

419
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that's the end of it or this is an

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unknown and therefore probably a

421
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spacecraft well that's why I always say

422
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we're all whether we like it or not

423
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we're all in this together whether it

424
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was you know pre-ordained or just

425
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something that we casually the fell into

426
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so outside of billy meier I try not to

427
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,910
mock anybody but just getting us to work

428
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:01,980
together and share information

429
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,380
why that's never worked and that's the

430
00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:06,720
problem because it's like if I know more

431
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than you and I've got the writing

432
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but going into all the other events of

433
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:21,940
like Billy Meyer has no well they're

434
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made up that's why you don't have it

435
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that and I'm another one it's not when I

436
00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:29,890
look at Billy Meyer stuff I'm like oh

437
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okay well I mean first of all they got

438
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:35,440
one this thing that the wedding cake

439
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right it's on sitting on top of the roof

440
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of a card there's two photographs to

441
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when he publishes and and and the you

442
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know the other stuff that the

443
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researchers have one of the trees that

444
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he shows this thing that's circling

445
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around doesn't even exist it you know he

446
00:25:55,170 --> 00:25:52,390
moved it it made a little model and move

447
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the fake tree over there anybody who has

448
00:26:02,550 --> 00:25:59,610
any rudimental knowledge of photography

449
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:02,560
can look at that in five minutes and say

450
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:04,570
this is just total nonsense and yet

451
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:07,090
people persist in believing yet and and

452
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:09,220
the stuff that he tries to push off he's

453
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the only one that's you know persisting

454
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:13,300
and having these contacts and they're

455
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telling him like he's the only person

456
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:18,670
why and his his representatives here are

457
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:21,370
just totally obnoxious totally I'm

458
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noxious you know myself I'd rather

459
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Oh Jackie Gleason was one yet and and

460
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:42,630
Lyle Stewart who was Frank Edwards as

461
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:48,130
publisher yet okay the answer has to be

462
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yes there are red lot there are lots of

463
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:54,520
random yeah and and I have four sheets

464
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this afternoon that say that there are a

465
00:27:02,130 --> 00:26:59,860
lot of them that are not random

466
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:02,140
coincidences exactly is it so that

467
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,110
candidly coincidence yes yes is that

468
00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:07,360
coincidence that's another question is

469
00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:09,700
it coincidence that John Adams and

470
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Thomas Jefferson both died on July 4th

471
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:16,690
1826 is it coincidence that Barney Hill

472
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died almost 5 years almost of the day

473
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after his experience first well I I say

474
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no because I think we're part of

475
00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:29,800
somebody's big cosmic game and we're

476
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existing

477
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in a computerized the matrix I mean

478
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:35,470
that's my and you know you can laugh but

479
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that's my theory ok I'm you know I'm a

480
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:39,160
nutty little guy who's only been doing

481
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:41,230
this for fifty five years and I don't

482
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,110
see any evidence of spaceships okay but

483
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:46,240
that that that may be possible I think

484
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:47,650
there may be more mundane explanation

485
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yes psychological lines of why certain

486
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:55,000
days are vulnerable things for people

487
00:27:59,970 --> 00:27:57,490
for people to die now I'm going to want

488
00:28:02,340 --> 00:27:59,980
to move on to what is sort of related to

489
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this which is if we stop looking at the

490
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:05,230
case of what's reported and look instead

491
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at the witnesses that very mysterious

492
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:10,300
case you described of the older man and

493
00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:12,190
the younger man fishing reminds me very

494
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:14,560
much of Pascagoula nineteen senators

495
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:17,740
were not in the not in what was

496
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:20,130
experienced right but in the

497
00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:22,770
constellation of the experiencers

498
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,260
Pascagoula passively because they cannot

499
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:28,720
have had the experience they say they do

500
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:31,570
even if you think people would be are

501
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:34,210
being kidnapped by space beings the

502
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space means that X N and the other one

503
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:39,280
whose name I forget Parker that Parker

504
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:42,370
yes that doesn't correspond to anything

505
00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:45,250
that anyone else has ever experienced

506
00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:49,000
but I've listened to as I'm sure many of

507
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:52,540
you have to the tape of where that would

508
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:54,550
name were they were there they came to

509
00:28:59,490 --> 00:28:56,410
the police station to report it the

510
00:29:02,190 --> 00:28:59,500
police put on a tape recorder

511
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unbeknownst to them and expected that to

512
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:04,420
hear all we really pulled one over on

513
00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:07,450
those cops and cetera so then Jesus

514
00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:08,920
you're never going to understand what

515
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:24,890
no nonsense and you know why because

516
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:27,960
Calvin Parker showed up in one of my

517
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,200
conferences and I was either I think was

518
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:32,880
Phoenix it might have been San Diego and

519
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:36,809
he told a totally concocted story about

520
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:40,290
how he was taken into a separate room

521
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and had sex with a space woman and that

522
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:45,300
the aliens were responsible for bringing

523
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:48,090
aids to earth this is the story that he

524
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,240
told in it one of my and my counsels of

525
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:55,620
its just you if you know your aunt too

526
00:30:03,380 --> 00:29:58,980
they enter the story as they as they go

527
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,390
along yeah but you know you can you can

528
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:05,880
add a little bit of mystique to your

529
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:07,650
story I'm sure both of us have been

530
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:09,870
accused of doing that over the over the

531
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:13,170
years but to make up something like that

532
00:30:17,299 --> 00:30:15,390
just because maybe there are 75 of

533
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:17,309
people in the audience and he was trying

534
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:37,050
to get a TV show to come up with

535
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:40,110
something for people's expectations is

536
00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:41,130
so great

537
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:43,680
that the pressure is on have something

538
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,650
to say to the individual wants to hear

539
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:48,360
or the or the group of people that want

540
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:51,510
to hear an expansion of the story is

541
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:54,090
just sort of something that you know arm

542
00:31:00,650 --> 00:30:56,730
twist it is he doing marker and an

543
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:00,660
interview not two years ago had tears in

544
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,480
his eyes talking about the same crap and

545
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:05,360
I'll polygraph that you're talking about

546
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,520
but I think that it is oh yeah it's an

547
00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:11,220
add-on but maybe it's dreams that he had

548
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:14,400
later maybe it's nightmares induced by

549
00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:16,380
an initial experience that was so

550
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,780
luminous that you have to add on you

551
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:20,700
could say the same thing about Joseph

552
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,250
Smith and there are millions of Mormons

553
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,440
with this mood that they're the you

554
00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:28,260
could say the same thing about the the

555
00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:32,280
the the apostles you know as this as the

556
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:34,560
time went on the story got more

557
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,450
elaborate and by the time the Gospels

558
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:38,520
were written there was nobody left alive

559
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:42,930
to contradict it that's a phenomenal the

560
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:46,380
human body to expand upon and embroider

561
00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:48,150
the story but it doesn't mean there

562
00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:53,670
isn't some singular source some contact

563
00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:55,920
with the what's I don't know I if you

564
00:32:01,220 --> 00:31:58,830
add on if you add on a state if you add

565
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:01,230
on a story when it was fresh if you add

566
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:03,270
on a story like that it's taking it to

567
00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:06,630
the to the you know tenth level it's

568
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:09,150
just not adding on you know the to say

569
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:10,860
that there were six space men in there

570
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,130
instead of four or five its concocting

571
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,600
an entire story you know whether that's

572
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:17,940
true or not you know I mean I don't

573
00:32:29,390 --> 00:32:20,340
think that there's a next point you know

574
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,400
you made it up not in this case yeah and

575
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:31,320
it may be in some cases yes but in

576
00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:33,510
something like this I'm sorry when you

577
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,670
tell me that you had sex with a woman on

578
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:37,440
board a spectrum when you didn't report

579
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,630
it initially and then you say that she

580
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:42,080
tells you that they were responsible for

581
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:46,860
the AIDS epidemic now I don't think it's

582
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:49,110
a dreamlike State I don't think it's a

583
00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:52,060
cosmic consciousness it's you

584
00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:56,800
I know the story I've had I have the

585
00:33:00,540 --> 00:32:59,080
actually the original painting I have

586
00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:00,550
the original painting that they did

587
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:02,200
under hypnosis I mean I'm familiar with

588
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,900
the story and I did invite Calvin Parker

589
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:06,880
and it's the only public appearance that

590
00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:10,470
he's ever made and I can see why

591
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:13,300
maybe he had maybe he had note maybe he

592
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:15,460
had no memory of the original experience

593
00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:17,170
or very little of it and he certainly

594
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:19,240
added on to it when he showed up and

595
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:21,430
gave his workshop in charged I don't

596
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:24,550
know 25 or 30 dollars he had a full

597
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:27,460
hours worth of the story to relate you

598
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:42,910
know anyway glad you're here because man

599
00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:44,740
this is this is the spark we need it

600
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:46,660
this morning we got a slow start but

601
00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:48,520
only two questions

602
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:51,060
where's the point Tom could you possibly

603
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:54,130
make the inference of speaking of

604
00:33:58,410 --> 00:33:56,350
Phyllis about the cup meeting tonight

605
00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:58,420
details and you've got the details and

606
00:34:02,880 --> 00:33:59,980
I've got the details of everything

607
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:02,890
second you won't be you won't believe

608
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:06,640
how many people ask me if I do a little

609
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:08,080
talk for a little group here and there

610
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:11,350
about the trouble counting case and for

611
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:15,670
some reason or other people kind of have

612
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:17,740
an inkling of it but it's a significant

613
00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:20,530
thing could you give us a synopsis and

614
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:24,670
give you brief synopsis on there the

615
00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:27,580
Trumbull County case happened in 1994

616
00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:31,680
the date I say is approximately somber

617
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:34,420
some right around there because yeah

618
00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:36,700
leaven their twelfth piston the thing is

619
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,680
there's question about the exact date at

620
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:41,220
that time because what happened is is

621
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:44,170
Kenny young who is doing some tremendous

622
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:45,970
work on here and unfortunately passed

623
00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:48,169
way before his time

624
00:34:55,539 --> 00:34:51,020
happened to get here about this case in

625
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:55,549
an area called Liberty which is down in

626
00:34:59,579 --> 00:34:58,520
actually close to the 8th Liberty Police

627
00:35:03,339 --> 00:34:59,589
Department was the one he was

628
00:35:05,049 --> 00:35:03,349
questioning because there is a remember

629
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,059
correctly as a police chief down there

630
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:08,000
who had reported a crazed you have a

631
00:35:11,799 --> 00:35:09,200
word down UFO

632
00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:11,809
so Kenny young hears about this I got to

633
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:14,660
check this out so he starts tracking it

634
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:16,790
down and you have to put yourself back

635
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:21,049
to 1994 in 1994 our cellphones didn't

636
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:22,910
have as much capability now that we knew

637
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:25,609
you right now so he's trying to track

638
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:28,010
down Liberty Police Department calls

639
00:35:32,859 --> 00:35:29,750
directory assistance name connected with

640
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,869
Liberty Township Police Department which

641
00:35:37,859 --> 00:35:34,400
is in the opposite corner to state yeah

642
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:37,869
and he says I'd like to know about this

643
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:41,510
UFO case that was reported down oh yeah

644
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:42,859
we know about that one it happened two

645
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:45,950
years ago the date he was looking for it

646
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:48,260
wasn't two years ago so when he saw that

647
00:35:52,839 --> 00:35:50,450
the dates didn't coincide a red flag

648
00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:52,849
went up right away say hey maybe I got

649
00:35:57,849 --> 00:35:55,160
something better yet yeah and that's

650
00:35:59,410 --> 00:35:57,859
what he stumbled across and it took him

651
00:36:02,500 --> 00:35:59,420
if I remember right about two years to

652
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,510
recover the 9-1-1 tapes they hear this

653
00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:04,730
little box shows up tape two wrapped in

654
00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:06,099
a box because the original tapes

655
00:36:12,609 --> 00:36:09,980
reportedly disappeared and on the tapes

656
00:36:15,069 --> 00:36:12,619
the opening the local clipping was in

657
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:15,079
there it said something the effect of

658
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:17,780
you now have to real you of your real

659
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:18,290
tapes

660
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:22,250
be prepared for something you know

661
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:25,400
something you won't believe and it was

662
00:36:30,309 --> 00:36:27,170
all done in clippings from newspapers

663
00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:30,319
mmm like a kidnapping type yeah because

664
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,119
the people who put that stuff together

665
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:33,680
who stored a tape and put that stuff

666
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:36,410
together that does jokes at least that

667
00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:37,800
was a story behind it

668
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,900
he received a box he listened to the

669
00:36:42,110 --> 00:36:41,460
tapes he find out he's got something way

670
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,120
bigger

671
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:44,700
well I'm History Channel - did the the

672
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:48,090
segment but also in UFO Hunters a do Co

673
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,550
did one where they went out they got a

674
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:53,160
hold of the main people involved and

675
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,780
they went through the whole scenario

676
00:36:59,540 --> 00:36:57,060
where an individual on it and the drive

677
00:37:03,160 --> 00:36:59,550
called Sampson drive which by the way

678
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:06,020
Sampson drive the witness reported

679
00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:11,610
seeing a greenish type light to 9-1-1

680
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:14,070
he's describing the object there that

681
00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:17,070
you see there they see the 911 operator

682
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:18,600
it's this classic it's kind of like oh

683
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:21,930
really okay yeah just a fax okay let's

684
00:37:26,570 --> 00:37:23,930
document you know very matter-of-fact

685
00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:26,580
but then as the evening progresses he

686
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:29,100
starts getting more phone calls and you

687
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:32,490
see her nature changing the way meant

688
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:33,930
this isn't so funny anymore

689
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,930
she calls up her chief chief there's

690
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:38,640
people reporting out here you know stop

691
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:40,290
I'll check it out you want me to call

692
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,850
base no don't worry about calling base

693
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:43,920
I'll check it out you know she goes to

694
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:45,840
I'm not kidding you and the language

695
00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:49,110
even starts deteriorating her language

696
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:50,580
starts using much more colorful

697
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:54,330
metaphors loved the conversation and it

698
00:37:59,720 --> 00:37:56,310
even gets to the point that she does

699
00:38:01,040 --> 00:37:59,730
call the air base up she's asking radar

700
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:01,050
if they have an English sa-do's no

701
00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:04,380
nothing out here 486 miles or 60 miles

702
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,030
maybe it was nothing on the radar

703
00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:09,060
whatsoever out there and she goes why

704
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:10,620
gotta come up with some answer and you

705
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,840
told me something and he comes up with

706
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:14,460
some story about maybe there's like a

707
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:16,620
temperature inversion she goes that'll

708
00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:21,000
work and that's you know it's just crazy

709
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:24,390
I mean an officer does go out Toby

710
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,650
Marrero goes out

711
00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:27,900
toby Burrell by the way it went home to

712
00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:29,550
bubblegum machines my Lobby and I said

713
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:31,620
if he ever comes in the building kidnap

714
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:32,850
him bring him back in my office because

715
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,850
I've got talked to that guy but he was

716
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:37,800
the one who drove down Sampson drive his

717
00:38:46,580 --> 00:38:42,870
car engine dies stops right there his

718
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:46,590
car dies he gets out an object is above

719
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,050
his cart and he's just looking up the

720
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:51,960
thing and when he hear that the details

721
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,450
from UFO Hunters they said he considered

722
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,520
drawing his gun he actually did they're

723
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:58,650
all his gun and he considered taking a

724
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:01,740
shot at it but thought better well the

725
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:03,470
thing just huggers earning gradually

726
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:07,110
disappears but people all over that

727
00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:09,060
region had been reported and there is

728
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:10,830
likely it may be 7 to 11 different

729
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:13,770
district law enforcement groups had also

730
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:16,140
seen the same thing but when you hear

731
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:17,790
the tapes now this is where you have to

732
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,630
say some of this may have been paranoia

733
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:23,220
because ok you're seeing it over here

734
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:25,530
I'll see it over here maybe an officer

735
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:28,020
even makes a joke about it just kind of

736
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:30,840
keep the things rolling but to me it's

737
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:33,660
one of the better three cases we've had

738
00:39:40,070 --> 00:39:36,540
in Ohio the other ones being Portage

739
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:40,080
County in 1966 and the other is the coin

740
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:43,260
case back to 1970s those are probably

741
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:46,450
two top three cases in the state

742
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:50,650
and they're tremendous and we want to

743
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:54,160
reopen by the way the coin case and do

744
00:39:59,789 --> 00:39:57,970
it as a project honor for a group that's

745
00:40:01,710 --> 00:39:59,799
our excuse me that's why I wanted to

746
00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:01,720
come in because for 30 years I worked

747
00:40:05,339 --> 00:40:02,680
for the power company as a

748
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:05,349
troubleshooter and all this and it's in

749
00:40:08,849 --> 00:40:07,210
the net they bought the Cleveland lights

750
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:08,859
and I speaking with these gentlemen

751
00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:12,430
earlier we used to go down to the South

752
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,589
margin off to shore we put our big booms

753
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:16,960
in the air right go up there look and

754
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:19,750
and I saw the one over there by channel

755
00:40:24,269 --> 00:40:22,180
8 and the South London off and the big

756
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:24,279
military aircraft come down and it's

757
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:27,460
refueling and my sister told me there's

758
00:40:29,759 --> 00:40:28,900
some home and that has to be allowed

759
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,769
they live right on the lake

760
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:31,839
then her housekeeper saw those big

761
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:33,400
planes out and late

762
00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:36,250
and here they're having dis I'm not just

763
00:40:42,539 --> 00:40:39,029
being the far-right debunk or whatever

764
00:40:45,269 --> 00:40:42,549
but a lot of people are commenting about

765
00:40:46,829 --> 00:40:45,279
that Cleveland lights and I live by

766
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:46,839
Cleveland Hopkins Airport and they're

767
00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:49,660
out there planes over darle I was the

768
00:40:55,529 --> 00:40:51,460
one so does Burke Lakefront Airport I

769
00:40:56,759 --> 00:40:55,539
was one in 2009 2010 who again this is

770
00:41:00,480 --> 00:40:56,769
another Christmas card I won't be

771
00:41:02,099 --> 00:41:00,490
getting because the guy didn't like it

772
00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:02,109
was actually a young gentleman over and

773
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,350
you

774
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:04,000
who reported seeing lights like nine

775
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:07,720
days in a row and this is where you just

776
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:09,190
can't talk to him you talk to other

777
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:11,350
people around the room and I found out

778
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:13,030
that he just moved into an apartment a

779
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:14,590
couple months beforehand overlooking the

780
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,740
lake he moved from a ranch house he was

781
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:19,920
also trying to get into theater you know

782
00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:22,210
at that point because I found his name

783
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:25,240
on Playhouse Square trying to be getting

784
00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:27,850
a small acting jobs but the biggest

785
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:30,340
thing was is he was seeing aircraft and

786
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:33,550
I nailed it 20 different ways I talked

787
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:35,770
to pilots and building altitude hair

788
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:45,060
mean if you make them out to be stupid I

789
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:52,440
one time I did an experiment twice

790
00:42:01,590 --> 00:41:59,280
on an arbitrary game from the

791
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:01,600
I thought it was kind enough to pay for

792
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:02,450
workers

793
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,280
there's a citywide Atlanta area was

794
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,359
conserved smaller

795
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:11,880
you upper sky watch which I'm the

796
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:17,349
the

797
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:20,280
every day

798
00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:29,880
you say that my theory was that if you

799
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:33,700
call a citywide Skywatch

800
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,160
if your foes have something to do

801
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:43,630
some ill-defined but interesting way

802
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:48,300
there will be reports of lots of

803
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:51,630
simply because I

804
00:42:59,479 --> 00:42:54,450
10 or 12 words say UFOs Skywatch

805
00:43:01,759 --> 00:42:59,489
citywide all this if not that I would

806
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:01,769
get few calls and didn't Leslie be you

807
00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:04,859
know haha right I got a few calls we got

808
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:07,480
hundreds of balls ok well

809
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:10,270
but one dime is some of them were good

810
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:20,340
bringing it

811
00:43:27,329 --> 00:43:23,230
treetop level in English away

812
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:27,339
give us number feet or at the level and

813
00:43:34,569 --> 00:43:30,770
it happens that on one occasion that I

814
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:34,579
was very polite with these southern

815
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:40,660
understand southern weather stick with

816
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:42,910
your man or not unless you're ready to

817
00:43:53,620 --> 00:43:51,049
keep the Minotaur hang me for something

818
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:53,630
like this I had this very neutral voice

819
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:55,490
but sometimes people would add what do

820
00:44:01,989 --> 00:43:58,890
you think that was and a guy calls

821
00:44:03,849 --> 00:44:01,999
and he describes Venus

822
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,859
we were at this was neglecting the

823
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:05,400
sixties

824
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:18,010
what you're describing it that

825
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:23,870
and still see it because

826
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,359
I'm a veteran yes

827
00:44:36,529 --> 00:44:33,609
it shows that the man and invested

828
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:36,539
something of himself so that this bright

829
00:44:43,549 --> 00:44:40,890
light as that was this was him and the

830
00:44:44,529 --> 00:44:43,559
infinite I'm a better than if I was in

831
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:44,539
the Air Force

832
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:52,920
well I refuel plant the point is that

833
00:44:59,089 --> 00:44:55,650
the man responded within the nation

834
00:45:02,319 --> 00:44:59,099
right yes and like I had said you were a

835
00:45:05,209 --> 00:45:02,329
coward and an evil person because you

836
00:45:07,339 --> 00:45:05,219
identified something so you're adults

837
00:45:10,009 --> 00:45:07,349
and that's responded with with his

838
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:10,019
greatest credit and life the thing that

839
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:11,910
he was most proud of this was the UNAM

840
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:23,849
era so he had probably or why are they

841
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:27,180
probably mean a fool and a bad person

842
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,960
don't you understand that I saw

843
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:32,400
something that gave me a glimpse of the

844
00:45:37,729 --> 00:45:36,329
infinite right and you're right dude I

845
00:45:40,099 --> 00:45:37,739
thanks for my investigators that you

846
00:45:41,959 --> 00:45:40,109
have to also have a thick skin being an

847
00:45:43,219 --> 00:45:41,969
investigation because you're going to

848
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,229
get the point where you're gonna have

849
00:45:48,259 --> 00:45:45,599
you can be a Southern gentleman

850
00:45:50,839 --> 00:45:48,269
you can present I wasn't it so and I

851
00:45:53,059 --> 00:45:50,849
even presented details but it's that

852
00:45:55,339 --> 00:45:53,069
indict a communication that they run

853
00:45:58,099 --> 00:45:55,349
into your debunking me know not be

854
00:46:01,029 --> 00:45:58,109
bunking I'm just presenting facts I even

855
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:01,039
was down on the lake with my iPad

856
00:46:07,219 --> 00:46:05,670
pulling up flight over where these two

857
00:46:09,019 --> 00:46:07,229
young kids were down there with me

858
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:09,029
always doing party investigation this

859
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:10,650
guy had seen the objects eight days in a

860
00:46:14,959 --> 00:46:12,930
row now if you see objects at eight days

861
00:46:16,339 --> 00:46:14,969
were on the same area of the sky it kind

862
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,349
of makes you think maybe there's a

863
00:46:21,319 --> 00:46:19,680
natural explanation so I'm founder eight

864
00:46:23,579 --> 00:46:21,329
days Moreau in March

865
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:23,589
freezing my little bananas

866
00:46:28,349 --> 00:46:25,690
down there because it was cold down here

867
00:46:30,059 --> 00:46:28,359
in March on the lake and two kids are

868
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,069
down there seeing her you reported you

869
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:32,319
know like cameras set up all over the

870
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:33,880
place I think um you look like a

871
00:46:39,569 --> 00:46:36,609
reporter no I'm not a reporter you think

872
00:46:42,539 --> 00:46:39,579
we're gonna see a flying saucer and I

873
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:42,549
had my pad out and I could see it was

874
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:44,140
like at that time a United Airlines

875
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,910
flight coming in from Minneapolis st.

876
00:46:50,279 --> 00:46:48,400
Paul they go about two minutes and

877
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:50,289
Mitchum the scene was right out there

878
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,630
this light pops up in two minutes in

879
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:54,640
these kids are like how could you know

880
00:46:59,700 --> 00:46:56,890
that and they didn't know what I was

881
00:47:01,440 --> 00:46:59,710
looking at on my pad yeah and what

882
00:47:03,479 --> 00:47:01,450
happened to is you'd have one flight

883
00:47:05,309 --> 00:47:03,489
coming in after another one and if

884
00:47:07,709 --> 00:47:05,319
you've ever been like knit wear a court

885
00:47:09,809 --> 00:47:07,719
like oh here were to stack up one after

886
00:47:12,569 --> 00:47:09,819
the other one it makes his gyration

887
00:47:15,059 --> 00:47:12,579
around me and the witness again could

888
00:47:16,979 --> 00:47:15,069
even listen to what he was saying even

889
00:47:18,509 --> 00:47:16,989
on the news broadcast he says I can't

890
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:18,519
understand why they always turn to the

891
00:47:24,299 --> 00:47:21,369
Southwest because that was a final

892
00:47:25,979 --> 00:47:24,309
approach for Hopkins every one of me

893
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:25,989
would not listen to himself but when I

894
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:28,150
brought it up and they said well here's

895
00:47:34,349 --> 00:47:31,690
the thing he did I was out there I said

896
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,359
I got an angle above the horizon I could

897
00:47:39,749 --> 00:47:35,920
see lights coming and Turing at a point

898
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,759
I contacted a pilot in Delta I said

899
00:47:44,489 --> 00:47:42,640
where you turn it on your final approach

900
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:44,499
does what we head towards Euclid which

901
00:47:49,259 --> 00:47:47,170
is where was that we make a turn heading

902
00:47:50,489 --> 00:47:49,269
back in I said what's your altitude he

903
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,499
was one of the five thousand feet

904
00:47:55,249 --> 00:47:52,960
heading up to it or not took that five

905
00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:55,259
thousand feet my angle above the horizon

906
00:48:01,859 --> 00:47:58,710
it tricked out to be 11 miles out of it

907
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:01,869
11 miles is worried he said basically

908
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:04,450
where they're returning it it matched

909
00:48:11,279 --> 00:48:07,630
their I had my group in Euclid add

910
00:48:12,959 --> 00:48:11,289
another group in Lakewood they're

911
00:48:17,069 --> 00:48:12,969
watching the lights go across the sky

912
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:17,079
this way dim they would be bright

913
00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:20,049
towards me then I'd say when I look when

914
00:48:23,849 --> 00:48:22,359
I call you let me know what happens but

915
00:48:25,229 --> 00:48:23,859
when the lights start dimming towards me

916
00:48:26,459 --> 00:48:25,239
and I started hitting the Southwest I

917
00:48:27,989 --> 00:48:26,469
called him and said well what's up the

918
00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:27,999
old lights are getting bright enough and

919
00:48:33,150 --> 00:48:31,540
they could see aircraft coming in we

920
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:33,160
that's think twenty different ways but

921
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,110
this kid goes you're crazy you should

922
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:40,000
have taken an airplane out and the one

923
00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:41,500
out there and investigated that when an

924
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,080
airplane or helicopter I said but here's

925
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:46,720
the reality as argumentative before he

926
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:49,750
as he was I said I could go on out there

927
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:51,610
splattered on the windscreen of that

928
00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:54,580
United Airlines plane and your comeback

929
00:48:58,410 --> 00:48:56,020
would have been oh that just happen to

930
00:48:59,730 --> 00:48:58,420
be a random plaintiff in the area it's a

931
00:49:01,800 --> 00:48:59,740
no-win situation

932
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:01,810
and I wrote a whole story on this one by

933
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:03,640
the way about his comment saying and we

934
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:05,730
have to know it's time in the line

935
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:07,570
because you're never gonna win that

936
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:11,260
argument out there but anyone and you

937
00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:12,610
mentioned on your buddy at the meeting

938
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:14,680
that I mean this one mentioned it

939
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:16,750
I'm from the clean me follow G projects

940
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:19,000
who is co-director very clerk we're

941
00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:20,980
having a meeting tonight at tri-c West

942
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:24,220
if anybody's interested in coming help

943
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:26,110
Phyllis buddy who's gonna be here later

944
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:28,330
is gonna be out there tonight and she's

945
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:30,310
gonna be expanding more tonight out

946
00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:32,050
there that okay but it's a very nice

947
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:34,150
location at tri-c West we have monthly

948
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:36,550
meetings out there purism and I can

949
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,660
always get you the contact information

950
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:40,720
if you're yeah I've got into I've got

951
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:42,130
then well I mean for the directions

952
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:44,170
tonight and we always vary the topics

953
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:47,110
each month we rotate it around we touch

954
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:48,210
on a little bit of everything because

955
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:51,160
who knows the relationship all this

956
00:49:57,930 --> 00:49:53,890
stuff comes together you know

957
00:49:59,760 --> 00:49:57,940
there's so many different fields and I'm

958
00:50:02,820 --> 00:49:59,770
one of us very open-minded somebody says

959
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:02,830
you know where to come from no I don't

960
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:07,750
have the answer when you do you have

961
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:09,550
people like screen your reports that

962
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:12,700
come in here well let me ask you the

963
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,950
epic or not I'm very very honest when I

964
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:16,480
when people ask me about the

965
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:18,070
organization's I'm with and I don't lie

966
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:21,400
I got into it the other day on the phone

967
00:50:26,910 --> 00:50:23,800
with one of the people in our media and

968
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:26,920
I said you know what a phone call comes

969
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:29,260
in to MUFON it goes into our national

970
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,530
database which is in California what

971
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,000
they do is they've got people who go

972
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:36,000
back and they clean those off and say

973
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,710
this one's Ohio send it to Hollywood

974
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:40,720
this one's California goes to California

975
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:42,490
they send it back to the States

976
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:44,830
but my first thing is if you have

977
00:50:48,060 --> 00:50:46,510
somebody separating those out to begin

978
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,070
with without a computer doing it

979
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:50,160
automatically with no human intervention

980
00:50:58,740 --> 00:50:52,450
how do you know something isn't cleaned

981
00:51:02,120 --> 00:50:58,750
off at some point is when now of course

982
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:02,130
they come in to you you find yourself

983
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:05,020
without reports community you find

984
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,570
yourself maybe you

985
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:08,040
on your own you're finding out something

986
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,140
else when you go investigate and Alan

987
00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:12,720
was talking about people that might have

988
00:51:18,350 --> 00:51:16,100
liked the neighbors that you have no

989
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:18,360
they don't have the interest in whatever

990
00:51:24,830 --> 00:51:21,360
this was saying you find yourself being

991
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,840
unwelcome at times when you you can even

992
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:26,400
find yourself being kind of shut down

993
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:28,950
because you may have neighbors that

994
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:30,380
don't care for the neighbor next door

995
00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:32,910
you may have people to say I want to

996
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:34,080
talk about anything like that you know I

997
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:36,420
may because of personal beliefs whatever

998
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:39,780
no when you look like you know we're

999
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,310
talking about those two guys it was a

1000
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:43,980
soft word did they ask you to come and

1001
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:45,540
talk to them did you go down there you

1002
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,420
just went down they filed the report

1003
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:49,520
with our national headquarters

1004
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:51,990
headquarters gave me their phone numbers

1005
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,990
my contact the demo and one of the

1006
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:56,400
things I told my want to do is I'm going

1007
00:52:00,200 --> 00:51:58,740
to take you back down basin to me like

1008
00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:00,210
the lion's den we're gonna right back to

1009
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:02,430
the Lions never right now I want to see

1010
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:03,900
the reaction I want to see everything as

1011
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:06,780
immediate as I can also I'm not giving

1012
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:09,090
them time if somebody's gonna fabricate

1013
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:10,760
something the less time they have

1014
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:12,510
they're not get a chance to maybe

1015
00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:14,970
fabricating as much stuff or forget

1016
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,520
stuff that's gonna be fresh in the line

1017
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:19,440
and they went down without hesitation on

1018
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:22,470
it I was very impressed in the gentleman

1019
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:24,630
downer because of health forthcoming

1020
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,450
appear and then this is where you start

1021
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:29,400
reaching out in other areas because I

1022
00:52:36,380 --> 00:52:31,710
went down visit him at their house which

1023
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:36,390
is down in the barber there and the week

1024
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,380
after it happened the 40 Turell and his

1025
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:43,260
wife the 19 year old who's the boyfriend

1026
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:45,360
of the guy's daughter we're all sleeping

1027
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:46,680
in the living room at night because

1028
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:50,490
they're too terrified to go outside they

1029
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,880
were too scared

1030
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:53,680
they said we won't go outside they

1031
00:52:56,609 --> 00:52:55,450
didn't work for three days because he

1032
00:52:59,069 --> 00:52:56,619
could they didn't know how to reason I

1033
00:53:00,839 --> 00:52:59,079
mean he owns his own business even like

1034
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:00,849
construction he says I couldn't want to

1035
00:53:07,319 --> 00:53:04,329
work for three days a week later he

1036
00:53:09,779 --> 00:53:07,329
still upset couple weeks later still

1037
00:53:12,329 --> 00:53:09,789
upset and you can see a lot of body

1038
00:53:14,099 --> 00:53:12,339
language on and then this is where you

1039
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:14,109
reach on to some of the other things I

1040
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:17,049
said you know sometimes I have any usual

1041
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:19,390
feelings myself because like I don't

1042
00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:22,089
want to say I'm psychic no claims of

1043
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:23,619
being psychic so I'll go ahead and say

1044
00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:28,240
it I'm psychic damn it no sometimes I've

1045
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:30,940
had sensations yeah and I've talked to

1046
00:53:35,549 --> 00:53:34,210
Phyllis about these and some goes back

1047
00:53:36,779 --> 00:53:35,559
to I mean we've all heard about the

1048
00:53:39,029 --> 00:53:36,789
remote viewing and all these other

1049
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:39,039
things who knows how much power the

1050
00:53:45,769 --> 00:53:42,750
human mind really has who knows how much

1051
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:45,779
when I was down here at the State Park

1052
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:48,250
I'm one that I went back down the

1053
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:49,450
following weekend at three in the

1054
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:51,250
morning by myself walking around the

1055
00:53:56,819 --> 00:53:54,910
state park it doesn't bother the one

1056
00:53:59,880 --> 00:53:56,829
night I was down if the 19 year old on

1057
00:54:01,519 --> 00:53:59,890
the original report though he's bouncing

1058
00:54:05,249 --> 00:54:01,529
all over the walls I mean is so nervous

1059
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:05,259
one time I felt I called an energy off

1060
00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:07,750
in one direction he reacted and I felt

1061
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:10,299
something out there feels like

1062
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:11,740
something's out there is just like five

1063
00:54:18,279 --> 00:54:15,200
seconds going didn't happen

1064
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,289
following weekend when I went down I'm

1065
00:54:23,259 --> 00:54:20,720
walking all around the park it was like

1066
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:23,269
a u-shaped area that there were over

1067
00:54:26,259 --> 00:54:23,839
here

1068
00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:26,269
I checked the instruments everything I

1069
00:54:30,479 --> 00:54:28,670
had I couldn't detect anything and a

1070
00:54:33,339 --> 00:54:30,489
residual energy of any sort down there

1071
00:54:36,609 --> 00:54:33,349
I'm walking over this other big clearing

1072
00:54:39,999 --> 00:54:36,619
on the other side and hear him in front

1073
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:40,009
of his tree completely dark like 4:00 in

1074
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:40,640
the morning

1075
00:54:45,279 --> 00:54:43,460
I've got Trifield meters and stuff out

1076
00:54:47,289 --> 00:54:45,289
I'm looking at just for curiosity so if

1077
00:54:52,269 --> 00:54:47,299
there's anything on those and I'm

1078
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:52,279
looking to meet her awesome like son of

1079
00:54:57,579 --> 00:54:55,130
a I'm feeling something right here

1080
00:55:01,620 --> 00:54:57,589
and I looked down I was standing in a

1081
00:55:05,769 --> 00:55:03,640
circular-shaped mom dead center in the

1082
00:55:09,099 --> 00:55:05,779
bull's eye and that was the only path to

1083
00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:09,109
catch I found in that whole area but I

1084
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:10,369
took samples I've got for Phil's

1085
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:13,910
employer but I'm like I don't know what

1086
00:55:17,229 --> 00:55:15,529
it was but if I kind of felt an energy

1087
00:55:18,999 --> 00:55:17,239
would have lasted for about a minute a

1088
00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:19,009
sensation was going over masive

1089
00:55:23,739 --> 00:55:22,099
something was here I don't know what but

1090
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:23,749
that state parks also got other

1091
00:55:29,979 --> 00:55:27,650
paranormal things down there and when it

1092
00:55:33,339 --> 00:55:29,989
was in his house I felt something really

1093
00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:33,349
unusual and I said I have a question for

1094
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:34,180
you

1095
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:39,950
here he goes right across the street

1096
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:42,170
they were on a their road was a little

1097
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:44,770
small country road that came came back

1098
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:48,500
there on one side he owned 55 acres the

1099
00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:51,400
other side of the road was Indian nose

1100
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:54,260
and I just had a sensation was something

1101
00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:57,890
like that there in the region I've also

1102
00:56:05,319 --> 00:56:01,900
had and this is a really wild world I

1103
00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:05,329
wrote an article about how at times I

1104
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:07,190
think investigators in this field may

1105
00:56:12,310 --> 00:56:09,230
actually have a close connection back to

1106
00:56:15,579 --> 00:56:12,320
this for another reason that maybe we've

1107
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:15,589
had our own experiences in Singapore and

1108
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:17,030
I kind of call it like a moth being

1109
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:19,609
drawn back to a flame did you keep

1110
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:21,140
coming back for some reason like a bug

1111
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:24,200
zapper you know why did a investigation

1112
00:56:30,130 --> 00:56:27,710
long distance on the porter repo where

1113
00:56:32,859 --> 00:56:30,140
the witness from Puerto Rico called

1114
00:56:34,030 --> 00:56:32,869
MUFON up they have no investigators they

1115
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:34,040
said would you reach out and call the

1116
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:35,630
witness up we talked to her get her

1117
00:56:42,339 --> 00:56:39,890
story I called her up and she's just

1118
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:42,349
describing a UFO follow me or mom down

1119
00:56:48,250 --> 00:56:45,770
the road which he doesn't believe mom

1120
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:48,260
pulls in the dry of mom says UFO follows

1121
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:51,050
her and the daughter doesn't believe it

1122
00:56:55,780 --> 00:56:53,210
about her goes out mom pulls on the car

1123
00:56:57,150 --> 00:56:55,790
goes down the road UFO actually followed

1124
00:56:59,530 --> 00:56:57,160
it down the road

1125
00:57:02,140 --> 00:56:59,540
and the daughters kind of blown away by

1126
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:02,150
this so the daughter follows the files

1127
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:04,130
to report

1128
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:06,770
as we're talking this is where the whole

1129
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:10,190
story takes in the return she pauses for

1130
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:11,930
a bit she's thinking he just hears

1131
00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:15,170
silence on the other end before she says

1132
00:57:21,370 --> 00:57:18,980
another word I'm sitting at my desk my

1133
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:21,380
office on there and I'm making notes all

1134
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:25,640
sudden I see a vision in my mind of

1135
00:57:30,220 --> 00:57:28,520
somebody setting in a dark room and I'm

1136
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,230
that person like looking in a dark room

1137
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:32,720
looking towards Windows I see windows

1138
00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:34,460
going all across the far side of the

1139
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:36,320
room and I'm not making this up it's

1140
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:39,380
good story though but I'm seeing these

1141
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:41,230
windows go all the way across the room

1142
00:57:48,310 --> 00:57:45,050
I'm sitting in a dark room and also and

1143
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:48,320
I see this shadowy figure on the other

1144
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,930
side of the room shorter than room

1145
00:57:57,460 --> 00:57:53,510
height and also short and stature thick

1146
00:57:59,110 --> 00:57:57,470
figure and she says well me and my

1147
00:58:00,640 --> 00:57:59,120
mother have also had some other things

1148
00:58:06,460 --> 00:58:00,650
over the years - what I've talked to you

1149
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:06,470
about she goes well one night I was

1150
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:09,170
sitting in my living room nice to

1151
00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:11,690
describe your Lydia she goes well I was

1152
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:13,220
looking towards the window is in my

1153
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:16,130
living room and she goes I said what

1154
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:17,750
type of with us well they stretch all

1155
00:58:23,740 --> 00:58:21,890
the way across the wall and I said tell

1156
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:23,750
me more and she goes well the night

1157
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:25,430
light was coming it was like ambient

1158
00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:28,730
light light which I'd seen and she goes

1159
00:58:31,690 --> 00:58:30,140
I'm looking at these windows I can't

1160
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:31,700
believe I'm seeing a figure standing

1161
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:35,810
directly in front of the windows and I

1162
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:37,310
said really

1163
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:40,250
what about that figure she as well as a

1164
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:41,930
short blue any day couldn't make any

1165
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:43,430
characteristics I was just and I don't

1166
00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:47,990
mind him the night sky you know okay so

1167
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,060
I'm she can picture me right now I'm

1168
00:58:55,330 --> 00:58:51,920
trying to figure out okay let's get as

1169
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:55,340
much details we can finally after about

1170
00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:57,410
twenty minutes she goes well I said

1171
00:59:01,240 --> 00:58:58,970
describe your room to me how it was

1172
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:01,250
physically laid out you know she goes

1173
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:02,810
well where was that you walk out and he

1174
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,550
stepped down to a lower section to the

1175
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:08,000
living room because it's something and I

1176
00:59:15,130 --> 00:59:11,630
reckon one damn I nailed that I don't

1177
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:15,140
know how but the shorter figure and

1178
00:59:18,490 --> 00:59:17,120
stature I saw was actually sunk in the

1179
00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:18,500
sunken living room below were lovable

1180
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:21,560
and I saw it in my mind before she ever

1181
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:23,510
spoke algorithm uttered one word about

1182
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:26,180
the scribing the whole thing so at times

1183
00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:27,890
I think maybe some of us have

1184
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:31,700
connections bad based on maybe prior

1185
00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:36,310
experiences of some sort good good yeah

1186
00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:38,620
commenting on that on Puerto Rico one

1187
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:41,720
all the houses are built on slabs so

1188
00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:44,630
there is no step found to the people are

1189
00:59:48,790 --> 00:59:46,940
very superstitious she wasn't a more of

1190
00:59:50,140 --> 00:59:48,800
a she wasn't all that house okay when

1191
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:50,150
you were talking to Porto Rico and then

1192
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:52,190
over there last year

1193
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:56,180
change into 2015 they discovered Chinese

1194
01:00:01,480 --> 00:59:58,490
lanterns so everybody was sent him up or

1195
01:00:03,580 --> 01:00:01,490
now they got a suit and anybody in the

1196
01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:03,590
cities right sending them up they're

1197
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:06,080
gonna get lawsuit on hmm another thing

1198
01:00:10,270 --> 01:00:07,730
which people seeing things flying around

1199
01:00:12,190 --> 01:00:10,280
over there the government has a lot of

1200
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:12,200
naval bases over there and they're

1201
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:14,570
flying drones all over the place over

1202
01:00:22,030 --> 01:00:19,910
there and because I know a third thing

1203
01:00:23,590 --> 01:00:22,040
is about a MUFON investigator my

1204
01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:23,600
question that they had how did I see

1205
01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:25,100
that in my mind before she ever said a

1206
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:25,340
word

1207
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:28,490
yeah well answer that one yeah the human

1208
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:31,610
condition how's that okay you wanna get

1209
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:33,410
with the speedy stops by the doctor how

1210
01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:35,210
can I visualize everything without

1211
01:00:39,070 --> 01:00:36,380
meeting her in any way

1212
01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:39,080
I don't know that question but nothing

1213
01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:41,720
over there is uh you said that we'll

1214
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:42,990
find any investigator

1215
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:47,940
and become a they had that guy on

1216
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:50,760
Cluster coast that he's leading that big

1217
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,830
UFO investigation over there in Puerto

1218
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,480
Rico are not always here that you may

1219
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,119
have he's not American he's an American

1220
01:01:01,520 --> 01:00:59,040
guy over there yeah but they made they

1221
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:01,530
may have people go down yeah he said he

1222
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:03,660
was sac I mean he was going down but I

1223
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:05,220
was getting assigned cases because he

1224
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:08,070
didn't have him England had three people

1225
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:11,130
till they all basically quit yeah Canada

1226
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:14,760
until two years ago had really only a

1227
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,650
handful of people for whole country

1228
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:18,480
well no are you just talking about MUFON

1229
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:20,609
people because there are Canadian yeah

1230
01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:22,859
UFO researchers are there so it there's

1231
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:25,020
their analysis goes through the group

1232
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:26,250
that's like French or something that

1233
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,770
gets a little bit of separate from the

1234
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:30,240
MUFON they don't get involved I know

1235
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:32,460
their UFO researchers all over the world

1236
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:35,160
is certainly England has a huge efforts

1237
01:01:46,099 --> 01:01:42,710
for some reason with MUFON it is not mmm

1238
01:02:09,650 --> 01:01:46,109
Jamie my middle son here was I wouldn't

1239
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:09,660
send him out what years was something 66

1240
01:02:19,550 --> 01:02:15,750
mm-hmm so there was nothing more done in

1241
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:19,560
the area but one interesting thing did

1242
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:24,630
he happen back in at the 2002 National

1243
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:26,550
Convention down in Cincinnati

1244
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:28,290
Kenny Young was one of the sponsors

1245
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:30,430
Donnie blessing

1246
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:36,910
I talked to a woman who was lived in the

1247
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:40,570
West 109 what's 117 from the rain area

1248
01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:45,730
okay she was just close by and she was

1249
01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:48,520
telling me yeah oh yeah who used to she

1250
01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:50,950
was a kid I used to see stuff in the sky

1251
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:52,360
and then she said you know there was

1252
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:54,790
this old neighbor of mine that used to

1253
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:57,250
talk about love duction this happened

1254
01:03:01,680 --> 01:02:58,890
back in the 1920s

1255
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:01,690
syllabuses talked about some sort of

1256
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:04,930
strange of being abducted by some

1257
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:07,930
strange weird thing the neighbor never

1258
01:03:12,060 --> 01:03:11,050
really said that much about it but and

1259
01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:12,070
Here I am I just

1260
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:14,500
this was means absolutely nothing just

1261
01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:16,630
this anecdote a little comment from

1262
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:18,100
somebody from the old neighborhood

1263
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:21,310
but apparently maybe some others so

1264
01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:23,050
strange things were going on and this

1265
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:24,520
was right the West other name what's

1266
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:27,340
under 17 from Lorraine area just just a

1267
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:29,110
stone's throw away from where the sky

1268
01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:34,390
watchers so there you have a a window

1269
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:35,600
here

1270
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:39,450
just the justice out a little bit

1271
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:41,460
ancient history but it's a little

1272
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:44,430
Cleveland history that's it

1273
01:03:56,350 --> 01:03:47,850
is there any windows now in the area no

1274
01:04:07,280 --> 01:03:59,660
kind of got lost contact with the with

1275
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:07,290
Dave whose house it was we were at I was

1276
01:04:13,070 --> 01:04:10,170
busy with college and then working Eddie

1277
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:13,080
Bebo went to college and went the law

1278
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:17,730
school for a while we never although we

1279
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,380
would see each other you know socially

1280
01:04:22,430 --> 01:04:21,540
every now and then no we never did any

1281
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:22,440
more skywatching

1282
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:23,970
I always wanted to go back I always

1283
01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:26,190
wanted to try it again and his may

1284
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:28,220
effect back in the early 1970s I was

1285
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:30,330
really trying to get something together

1286
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:32,610
put together to head back over there but

1287
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:35,040
I've never really found out but how far

1288
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:40,620
was that from here completely miles

1289
01:04:46,060 --> 01:04:43,740
maybe seven miles basically north of

1290
01:04:46,070 --> 01:04:53,060
in the heart of the West West societally

1291
01:05:02,070 --> 01:04:54,960
okay.what but there were other an

1292
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:02,080
anomalous phenomena as well as UFOs not

1293
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:06,130
that I'm really aware of although I did

1294
01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:10,420
a friend of mine who recently passed

1295
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:13,720
away he worked for the East Ohio gas

1296
01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:20,170
company major local suppliers and he was

1297
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:23,980
talking to a homeowner in the general

1298
01:05:32,670 --> 01:05:28,170
neighborhood in the old neighborhood and

1299
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:32,680
they would do like inspections emergency

1300
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:37,930
calls here furnace out problem hot water

1301
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,970
tape networking they would try their

1302
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:41,920
best to Leiter to check it out and if it

1303
01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:43,330
was dangerous they'd have to shut the

1304
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:46,270
gas off or shut the gas off and refer

1305
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:48,130
them to her apparently you know gas

1306
01:05:54,740 --> 01:05:50,890
leaks whatever but he was down in a

1307
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:54,750
basement in that neighborhood and the

1308
01:05:59,940 --> 01:05:57,610
homeowner was juices talking and said I

1309
01:06:03,840 --> 01:05:59,950
used to have a buddy that lived in this

1310
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:03,850
neighborhood me and this stuff like that

1311
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:08,230
he's got to talking about something UFOs

1312
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:14,599
welcome the homeowner had a number of

1313
01:06:21,890 --> 01:06:18,710
wanting incident so possibly possibly

1314
01:06:23,810 --> 01:06:21,900
back in the day I was not I wasn't one

1315
01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:23,820
of the ghost chaser plumbers yeah yeah

1316
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:25,980
you know I didn't I didn't really you

1317
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:32,490
know look for that but it was a rather I

1318
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:35,160
mean is it just because we were

1319
01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:38,340
persistent that we would show up at this

1320
01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:40,619
one particular house if we would have

1321
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:43,140
gone to a house maybe fifteen blocks

1322
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,980
later or further west or east or south

1323
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:48,480
or what happened with the same thing

1324
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:50,010
have happened I don't know miss we never

1325
01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:52,680
tried it we did however with the October

1326
01:06:57,530 --> 01:06:55,230
9th case from 65 where the big

1327
01:06:59,330 --> 01:06:57,540
dissipated disc was seen yeah we've seen

1328
01:07:02,000 --> 01:06:59,340
all over the west side of Cleveland and

1329
01:07:04,490 --> 01:07:02,010
from that location to but does that

1330
01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:04,500
qualify as a window I don't know is it

1331
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:13,230
coincidence it very well could maybe we

1332
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:16,260
have to work in Reverse format and ask

1333
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:17,970
people who have hauntings whether they

1334
01:07:22,940 --> 01:07:20,010
have UFO experiences well I think he'll

1335
01:07:25,340 --> 01:07:22,950
did that - yeah he'll did that - and in

1336
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:25,350
many instances yes they would have some

1337
01:07:35,090 --> 01:07:31,619
paranormal experiences yeah well III

1338
01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:35,100
have visited your you're more likely to

1339
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:37,740
find out details when you go to a small

1340
01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:40,170
very rural area you couldn't do it in

1341
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:41,880
that you couldn't do it in the city or

1342
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:43,980
metropolitan area it doesn't it doesn't

1343
01:07:50,359 --> 01:07:46,500
quite work but now I remember

1344
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,369
uh a year or so ago I was on coast to

1345
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:53,119
coast that I talked about this area in

1346
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:55,890
Massachusetts that had it was a road

1347
01:08:01,280 --> 01:07:58,859
where they had like the ghost lights and

1348
01:08:02,660 --> 01:08:01,290
I supposed to be a crazy witch or

1349
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,670
something that lived there 100 years ago

1350
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:05,280
alright so I went with my psychic friend

1351
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,609
Maria Deandra and we found the road okay

1352
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:14,160
but when we asked people whether they

1353
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,500
knew anything about this urban legend

1354
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:19,020
about the witch two people at least

1355
01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:20,430
while we only talked to three I think

1356
01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:23,400
but two people he said nah you know I

1357
01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:25,430
only vaguely heard of it or it was

1358
01:08:28,900 --> 01:08:27,500
you know something the kids used to like

1359
01:08:32,650 --> 01:08:28,910
frighten their girlfriends or something

1360
01:08:33,970 --> 01:08:32,660
when they were young but both of them

1361
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:33,980
said but you know I got this strange

1362
01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:36,170
stuff that's going on in my house and

1363
01:08:40,810 --> 01:08:37,940
this one guy said you know we got it's

1364
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:40,820
like The Exorcist or something the stuff

1365
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:42,530
is falling off the bookcase and this and

1366
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:43,370
that the other thing is that he

1367
01:08:48,130 --> 01:08:45,050
disappeared he didn't seem to want to

1368
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:48,140
talk about it at any length but you know

1369
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:50,090
maybe this is going on a lot more than

1370
01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:51,790
we realized and people are just not

1371
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:54,830
talking about it yeah yeah in rural

1372
01:09:03,280 --> 01:08:58,880
areas I just just one figured out we

1373
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:03,290
when I was in high school later we had a

1374
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:06,710
cottage Adam this is prime attuning lake

1375
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:08,210
which is basically in the Ohio

1376
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:12,050
Pennsylvania border in the northern part

1377
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:15,080
of the state Ohio and being I was a

1378
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:19,730
Seabee fan still then and spent my

1379
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:23,480
summers out there and we installed an

1380
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:26,330
antenna on the other side of the cottage

1381
01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:29,449
and I would get what are the

1382
01:09:38,559 --> 01:09:32,270
the unit's out and plug it in and talk

1383
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:38,569
and one night got talking about UFOs for

1384
01:09:45,340 --> 01:09:42,890
somebody and oh yeah no lines done seed

1385
01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:45,350
stuff and you'd be surprised how many

1386
01:09:50,410 --> 01:09:47,900
people heard it broken in the

1387
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:50,420
conversation and started telling us

1388
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:53,690
about their sightings and this was in an

1389
01:10:02,169 --> 01:09:57,350
ear well probably in the area trying to

1390
01:10:06,610 --> 01:10:02,179
think probably people within a ten-mile

1391
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:06,620
radius where I was reporting in so yeah

1392
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:09,110
there was there was a lot of activity I

1393
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,260
know that particular location my

1394
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:15,440
grandmother saw some orb like things

1395
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:18,650
back before they were fashionable she

1396
01:10:25,090 --> 01:10:20,870
called them like balls of fire mm-hmm

1397
01:10:28,209 --> 01:10:25,100
she was she had insomnia and she would

1398
01:10:30,970 --> 01:10:28,219
just sit up and she saw the the window

1399
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:30,980
several times this involved going right

1400
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:33,890
by the house manning towards the cottage

1401
01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:37,610
behind us going that way another night

1402
01:10:44,650 --> 01:10:40,820
she would see a going the other way and

1403
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:44,660
so I was kind of interested in that and

1404
01:10:51,490 --> 01:10:48,050
seeing that thing myself but I never

1405
01:10:54,490 --> 01:10:51,500
could wake up I had a grandmother I told

1406
01:10:56,770 --> 01:10:54,500
her and told my mom it's she sees

1407
01:10:58,900 --> 01:10:56,780
something like that you know

1408
01:11:02,100 --> 01:10:58,910
wake me up was when she tried to wake me

1409
01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:02,110
up one night would wake up

1410
01:11:08,529 --> 01:11:04,550
but there were a lot of a lot of strange

1411
01:11:10,089 --> 01:11:08,539
reports in that area to do you why do

1412
01:11:13,450 --> 01:11:10,099
you feel that you've been pulled into

1413
01:11:15,819 --> 01:11:13,460
this field and have lasted so many years

1414
01:11:19,089 --> 01:11:15,829
and I do you see anything significance

1415
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:19,099
behind it or I don't know it's always

1416
01:11:24,609 --> 01:11:22,150
fascinated me and some some level I

1417
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:24,619
always thought it was I never thought it

1418
01:11:31,029 --> 01:11:27,110
was nonsense I always took the subject

1419
01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:31,039
seriously quite frankly there is this

1420
01:11:34,959 --> 01:11:33,499
the Allan Greenfield there probably

1421
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:34,969
taught me to talk about this better than

1422
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:38,210
that good but I felt this this sense of

1423
01:11:43,029 --> 01:11:40,610
I liked I referred to as a sense of

1424
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:43,039
wonder dreaming in awe at the whole

1425
01:11:48,009 --> 01:11:45,380
phenomena and that's that's what I feel

1426
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,019
to this day still or else I wouldn't be

1427
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:50,239
doing what I'm doing now I'm banning my

1428
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:52,190
head against the stone wall trying to

1429
01:12:01,390 --> 01:11:54,920
keep the print publication alive yeah

1430
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:01,400
indeed sure I don't question the truth

1431
01:12:07,779 --> 01:12:04,010
of what you say that how Monogram those

1432
01:12:09,060 --> 01:12:07,789
classified ads and they got results

1433
01:12:12,489 --> 01:12:09,070
what I'm having a little trouble

1434
01:12:14,979 --> 01:12:12,499
envisioning is exactly how that worked

1435
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:14,989
because presumably if I'm reading the

1436
01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:16,550
clients I thought it is although that

1437
01:12:22,750 --> 01:12:20,150
didn't go actually what he did what the

1438
01:12:26,529 --> 01:12:22,760
hell did was he had some Flyers printed

1439
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:26,539
on cardstock much cardstock and it was

1440
01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:29,480
the ads were just an ancillary sort of

1441
01:12:36,069 --> 01:12:31,550
thing that we did just just for the heck

1442
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:36,079
of it he personally I helped him on this

1443
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:38,510
we took them to the Cleveland Press the

1444
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:41,710
Cleveland Plain Dealer to the city desks

1445
01:12:50,410 --> 01:12:44,780
here we are there's we did a newsletter

1446
01:12:51,850 --> 01:12:50,420
back at the time I did some of my stuff

1447
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:51,860
we could pass out some of our stuff

1448
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,050
we're not just nuts on the street this

1449
01:12:59,500 --> 01:12:56,320
is a group we meet at the central YMCA

1450
01:13:02,500 --> 01:12:59,510
we have this hotline could you post it

1451
01:13:04,629 --> 01:13:02,510
and you get something they didn't order

1452
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:04,639
her people they would say call the air

1453
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:07,010
force called the airport but now we got

1454
01:13:12,129 --> 01:13:09,710
into the act and we were proactive and

1455
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:12,139
we started posting these things we went

1456
01:13:16,450 --> 01:13:14,300
to the teeth two three then we even had

1457
01:13:19,779 --> 01:13:16,460
three TV stations we were two almost

1458
01:13:21,879 --> 01:13:19,789
three TV stations in person handed them

1459
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:21,889
to the somebody could get them to the

1460
01:13:27,459 --> 01:13:23,210
general manager we're going to get to

1461
01:13:28,569 --> 01:13:27,469
the news desk and a lot of the radios

1462
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:28,579
they couldn't have all the radio

1463
01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:30,110
stations because so you know we get all

1464
01:13:36,879 --> 01:13:33,590
the major radio stations the most help

1465
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:36,889
of all was it was then called KYW later

1466
01:13:42,549 --> 01:13:40,130
WKYC they had the ufology round table

1467
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:42,559
remember and you remember listening to

1468
01:13:49,899 --> 01:13:46,729
that I know yeah on the radio there's

1469
01:13:52,089 --> 01:13:49,909
like Thursdays from 8:00 to 11:00

1470
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:52,099
whatever 8:00 to midnight or I can't

1471
01:13:56,799 --> 01:13:53,510
remember anymore

1472
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,809
and they have a girl that would be on

1473
01:14:01,330 --> 01:13:58,880
there quite quickly I was on there al

1474
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:01,340
Manac whoever was gues Kehoe was on

1475
01:14:06,489 --> 01:14:03,920
there was a great quick talk radio I

1476
01:14:07,649 --> 01:14:06,499
think was in its heyday it was very

1477
01:14:11,129 --> 01:14:07,659
exciting times

1478
01:14:13,919 --> 01:14:11,139
and they gave us a lot of publicity -

1479
01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:13,929
that was when you know I always back in

1480
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,550
those days back in those days if you

1481
01:14:21,209 --> 01:14:18,400
were if you were on a show I remember

1482
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:21,219
the first time I was on Long John and I

1483
01:14:24,959 --> 01:14:23,170
told people to write in if they had a

1484
01:14:27,419 --> 01:14:24,969
sighting or a report or something next

1485
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,429
time I went up there and I asked him did

1486
01:14:30,660 --> 01:14:29,199
you get any mail they opened the bottom

1487
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:30,670
of the drawer and it was full like maybe

1488
01:14:40,350 --> 01:14:33,280
400 but today you go on a show you're

1489
01:14:46,979 --> 01:14:43,379
would which sponsored Kehoe coming in in

1490
01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:46,989
1964 I think Frank Edwards in 1965 with

1491
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:53,620
Professor trials made we would hold

1492
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:54,850
these at the Lakewood Civic Auditorium

1493
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:57,850
which is a big auditorium in a western

1494
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:59,260
suburb of Cleveland the great big

1495
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:01,739
southern huge auditorium we would get

1496
01:15:07,229 --> 01:15:04,719
nine hundred people coming to these

1497
01:15:11,370 --> 01:15:07,239
things and we would publicize them well

1498
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:11,380
the the first I think the first time I

1499
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:12,820
came down for this group which is maybe

1500
01:15:15,899 --> 01:15:14,650
the second year there were a couple of

1501
01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:15,909
those meetings I had three four hundred

1502
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:18,460
young people - was it the Parma high

1503
01:15:26,879 --> 01:15:21,370
school or the first one the second was

1504
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:26,889
the 65 was Valley Forge No Pleasant

1505
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:32,800
Valley junior high school yeah oh is

1506
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:34,090
that way that was proud of me I yeah

1507
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:41,050
yeah yeah yeah there was about 400

1508
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:43,210
people that wanted robably and then we

1509
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:44,650
used to hold it at Valley Forge High

1510
01:15:56,170 --> 01:15:47,290
School and 66

1511
01:15:59,710 --> 01:15:56,180
got good credit we used to get coming

1512
01:16:01,780 --> 01:15:59,720
back to the to these hotlines so the way

1513
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:01,790
it would normally work with me I see

1514
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:04,070
something on the sky I can't identify I

1515
01:16:15,390 --> 01:16:07,690
phone the radios yeah they've got your

1516
01:16:21,610 --> 01:16:15,400
number on brand bags with a police call

1517
01:16:24,430 --> 01:16:21,620
no because I would think that they would

1518
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:24,440
really need that that would be a godsend

1519
01:16:30,730 --> 01:16:26,510
the back end those back in those days

1520
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:30,740
the police really they would say girl

1521
01:16:35,950 --> 01:16:33,890
call the airport now didn't then lens

1522
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:35,960
string field did he have the police

1523
01:16:52,210 --> 01:16:51,890
because I did that because now even a

1524
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:52,220
village

1525
01:16:57,460 --> 01:16:55,010
I don't know a Peter Davenport now his

1526
01:17:00,400 --> 01:16:57,470
number is is one that's been left all

1527
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:00,410
over the place 800 number or something

1528
01:17:04,660 --> 01:17:02,270
like that and I think that's the one

1529
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:04,670
that people are still referred to if

1530
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:07,970
they call them yeah cause yeah yeah but

1531
01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:09,770
I mean this was just strictly locally

1532
01:17:15,820 --> 01:17:14,060
and it worked for us and over the years

1533
01:17:20,820 --> 01:17:15,830
I always work hospice after even after

1534
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:26,120
northern Ohio and we have a hotline -

1535
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:29,380
for several years ago this one we put in

1536
01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:33,040
the advertising the phone he put in the

1537
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:35,860
phone and did the same thing but how

1538
01:17:48,420 --> 01:17:38,110
would people find that I see something

1539
01:17:51,870 --> 01:17:48,430
in the sky what do I look at us now in

1540
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,880
in New York you had saucer news but then

1541
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:53,520
you'd have to know how to look

1542
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:56,050
understood looking in the saucer and

1543
01:18:02,610 --> 01:17:58,210
then the one that everybody called was

1544
01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:02,620
Jim rig burg because of saucer news yeah

1545
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:05,200
a flying saucer news bookstore and he

1546
01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:08,560
actually had it in bold and he got quite

1547
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:10,390
a few calls but my god he didn't know

1548
01:18:16,410 --> 01:18:14,710
what to do with it poor J yeah yeah well

1549
01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:16,420
I was see you know that way you were

1550
01:18:19,710 --> 01:18:17,980
with us so that we went over to his book

1551
01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:19,720
story on New Year's Eve right at

1552
01:18:24,030 --> 01:18:22,630
midnight or he opened at 9:00 and he was

1553
01:18:29,970 --> 01:18:24,040
afraid of getting mugged that he had

1554
01:18:31,710 --> 01:18:29,980
been mugged a couple of times and so he

1555
01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:31,720
sold the same books for years though I

1556
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:35,350
yeah yeah flying around trip to hell in

1557
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:38,590
a flying saucer yeah yeah he did yeah he

1558
01:18:41,730 --> 01:18:39,910
was about the only place for a while

1559
01:18:46,140 --> 01:18:41,740
there in New York did you get it yeah

1560
01:18:58,979 --> 01:18:46,150
good get any books in it right well I I

1561
01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:03,860
oh really yeah yeah as doing effect I

1562
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:05,260
thought maybe

1563
01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:07,210
Wendy Connery's or whether somewhere is

1564
01:19:15,420 --> 01:19:10,630
I've isn't to say there was a case in

1565
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:15,430
early 1967 Perkins Township I'm trying

1566
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:20,940
to think of me sheriff Jerry Butler

1567
01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:24,010
Sheriff Gary Butler up near the plum

1568
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:27,880
Brook atomic station and we investigated

1569
01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:30,010
Earl and Iowa investigated that and

1570
01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:33,700
somehow I had my tape recorder yeah he

1571
01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:35,830
Earl and I were asking him questions we

1572
01:19:40,110 --> 01:19:38,440
sent them a report on the night yeah I

1573
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:40,120
don't know how the tape survivor how

1574
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:42,760
world matter who got but it's on there

1575
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:43,840
if I hurt myself

1576
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:46,300
yeah Earl Grey back it's all this

1577
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:49,090
amazing stuff by honors he must be done

1578
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:52,090
I gave the place stuff - 2 nd condors a

1579
01:20:00,479 --> 01:19:54,610
lot of my stuff that she but I didn't

1580
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:00,489
have this I forgot I was David's going

1581
01:20:11,130 --> 01:20:05,489
oh ok ok

1582
01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:11,140
delay you yo 4 minutes this is kind of a

1583
01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:12,550
trip down memory lane

1584
01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:19,320
I remember that I'd forgotten that our

1585
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:25,300
1964 Congress was the first non-contact

1586
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:29,650
day UFO Congress and I remember how

1587
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:33,820
excited I was as it drew near I was at

1588
01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:38,650
the time in 11th grade and I've been

1589
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:42,190
corresponding with Rick with the late

1590
01:20:47,850 --> 01:20:43,090
day already

1591
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:50,620
while you I think were the only one that

1592
01:20:58,719 --> 01:20:55,610
I've met face yes that and that I had

1593
01:21:01,000 --> 01:20:58,729
the sense that I was part of that we

1594
01:21:04,209 --> 01:21:01,010
didn't use the word yet invisible

1595
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:04,219
college or at least invisible high

1596
01:21:18,370 --> 01:21:12,110
school in our case yes yes colleagues we

1597
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:18,380
had turned away from the heedless high

1598
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:21,920
school and entertainments of dates and

1599
01:21:29,379 --> 01:21:24,800
the parties and dances to give ourselves

1600
01:21:31,989 --> 01:21:29,389
over to the pursuit of truth sometime

1601
01:21:34,689 --> 01:21:31,999
later that I actually got up the nerve

1602
01:21:37,509 --> 01:21:34,699
to ask a girl out on a date

1603
01:21:40,689 --> 01:21:37,519
and started getting invited to parties

1604
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:40,699
and I found out that that wasn't such

1605
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:42,050
bad stuff either

1606
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:46,639
yeah but for her but for a few years I

1607
01:21:54,209 --> 01:21:50,719
was I was part of this invisible college

1608
01:21:56,739 --> 01:21:54,219
again I the moment most of you here are

1609
01:21:59,949 --> 01:21:56,749
not all of you wants to be a very close

1610
01:22:03,580 --> 01:21:59,959
to my age so you can probably remember

1611
01:22:06,609 --> 01:22:03,590
how exciting the mailbox was in those

1612
01:22:10,509 --> 01:22:06,619
days nowadays it's just you've got you

1613
01:22:12,969 --> 01:22:10,519
get junk and get bills if you ordered

1614
01:22:17,790 --> 01:22:12,979
magazines the magazines you're lucky if

1615
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:23,040
but back then especially for kind of

1616
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:26,170
socially fringy people like me the

1617
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:32,449
mailbox was where you got the exciting

1618
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:36,170
contact with the great world out there

1619
01:22:41,949 --> 01:22:39,860
notably the invisible college and for

1620
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:41,959
that I think as anyone who's part of it

1621
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:45,130
remembers it was almost exclusively male

1622
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:49,290
that the gender ratio and

1623
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:52,530
does not surprise me in the least I'm

1624
01:22:58,730 --> 01:22:55,650
not sure why it was the case but it was

1625
01:23:03,260 --> 01:22:58,740
born his teenage boys who were into

1626
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:03,270
ufology the girls I don't know they were

1627
01:23:11,690 --> 01:23:07,970
I don't know there weren't other things

1628
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:11,700
I remember I think you spoke Rick about

1629
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:18,360
a meeting at Dale's house in 1964 right

1630
01:23:24,860 --> 01:23:22,050
yeah because I remember man you remarked

1631
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:24,870
on how long-distance telephone calls

1632
01:23:32,210 --> 01:23:28,410
were not the humdrum routine and I

1633
01:23:34,580 --> 01:23:32,220
remember how I can I got changed with

1634
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:34,590
three or four dollars and the whole

1635
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:37,710
stack of quarters and walk down to the

1636
01:23:43,670 --> 01:23:40,830
little town shopping center I could not

1637
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:43,680
have phoned you from home or my father

1638
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:50,130
would I remember well I had to pay my

1639
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:53,330
mother in advance for the call so a

1640
01:24:00,560 --> 01:23:57,770
bunch of bills in my dad hit the roof I

1641
01:24:04,130 --> 01:24:00,570
stand standing in that frigid phone

1642
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:04,140
booth for the privilege of three minutes

1643
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:06,900
talk with the real ufology and now isn't

1644
01:24:10,610 --> 01:24:09,000
it funny when you could call all day for

1645
01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:10,620
nothing nobody ever telephones each

1646
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:16,520
other it was a different world and I

1647
01:24:22,340 --> 01:24:19,380
remember how eagerly I look forward to

1648
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:22,350
actually meeting these people face to

1649
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:26,370
face that in our school there they

1650
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:32,090
showed a film of some of the great

1651
01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:34,980
physicists or something around the year

1652
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:37,830
1900 and they were they had sort of

1653
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:39,800
dramatized scenes

1654
01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:41,750
and you saw these people coming to a

1655
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:44,030
meeting you know these mutton shop

1656
01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:02,080
whiskers no I asked people last night

1657
01:25:08,890 --> 01:25:06,260
about whether the team ufology still

1658
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:08,900
exists on the overwhelming answer I got

1659
01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:12,110
was no which I heard earlier from Jerry

1660
01:25:18,090 --> 01:25:15,620
Clark well but do we actually know the

1661
01:25:21,070 --> 01:25:18,100
age of the people that were

1662
01:25:22,930 --> 01:25:21,080
corresponding with like I mean I get I

1663
01:25:24,940 --> 01:25:22,940
don't get as many hard lis any as many

1664
01:25:27,220 --> 01:25:24,950
sightings and reports or anything but I

1665
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:27,230
don't often ask the people who are

1666
01:25:29,470 --> 01:25:29,090
buying my books or something how old are

1667
01:25:32,290 --> 01:25:29,480
you

1668
01:25:35,710 --> 01:25:32,300
they do seem to run the the the gamut

1669
01:25:37,420 --> 01:25:35,720
from some teenagers the podcast scene

1670
01:25:50,290 --> 01:25:37,430
the people that are running the podcast

1671
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:50,300
seem to be fairly young not quite as

1672
01:25:56,860 --> 01:25:54,170
much maybe but to some degree of course

1673
01:25:58,960 --> 01:25:56,870
now i-i've maybe that was just this

1674
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:58,970
group though because certainly a lot of

1675
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:00,560
places around the country that I had

1676
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:04,250
lectured at least in the audience there

1677
01:26:08,410 --> 01:26:06,410
there were any number of you know

1678
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,420
females I met any number of girlfriends

1679
01:26:14,620 --> 01:26:11,360
over the years at different you know

1680
01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:14,630
meetings and things like that so they

1681
01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:17,030
they were there and and some of them are

1682
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:19,990
now a you know like involved in move on

1683
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:22,760
estate directors and and things along

1684
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:25,280
that line I don't know is if anybody

1685
01:26:29,890 --> 01:26:27,650
ever takes a survey or a poll on any of

1686
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:29,900
this I mean that's one of the things we

1687
01:26:34,150 --> 01:26:32,090
really we really don't know and you know

1688
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:34,160
you talk about groups well now there are

1689
01:26:38,260 --> 01:26:35,840
groups all over the place I know from

1690
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:38,270
Facebook because I belong to about 150

1691
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:40,190
of them because I post everything that I

1692
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:41,810
think they might be interested on their

1693
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:45,470
in their groups I'm having a guy on next

1694
01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:48,110
week I think on my podcast he runs some

1695
01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:49,940
group in st. Louis never knew he existed

1696
01:26:53,169 --> 01:26:52,460
until he started sending me some

1697
01:26:54,969 --> 01:26:53,179
information

1698
01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:54,979
so there are there are groups than there

1699
01:27:01,770 --> 01:26:56,329
are people out there doing this thing

1700
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:01,780
we've just become disconnected and that

1701
01:27:07,299 --> 01:27:04,130
there was there more of a connection

1702
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:07,309
when it was just on letters yes III

1703
01:27:14,350 --> 01:27:12,110
think that's the case yes yeah because

1704
01:27:15,879 --> 01:27:14,360
even even though I'm up til I think four

1705
01:27:17,739 --> 01:27:15,889
thousand friends on Facebook or

1706
01:27:19,779 --> 01:27:17,749
something when somebody comes in now

1707
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:19,789
I've gotten to the point I'll actually

1708
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:22,639
look where it says about to see what

1709
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:24,530
they've posted and some of them have

1710
01:27:27,489 --> 01:27:26,449
some peripheral information I'll say you

1711
01:27:29,109 --> 01:27:27,499
know come on the shower

1712
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:29,119
tell me more you know tell me more about

1713
01:27:33,609 --> 01:27:31,130
it and some of them doing and some of

1714
01:27:36,609 --> 01:27:33,619
them you never hear from again you know

1715
01:27:38,799 --> 01:27:36,619
I don't know but yeah I I would say like

1716
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:38,809
with the the Facebook people most of

1717
01:27:44,469 --> 01:27:42,320
them I've got some rock and roll people

1718
01:27:45,699 --> 01:27:44,479
a couple of wrestling wrestling groups

1719
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:45,709
because I had a girlfriend who was a

1720
01:27:53,290 --> 01:27:50,110
wrestler and mainly paranormal and and

1721
01:27:55,330 --> 01:27:53,300
UFOs Oh in horror films sorry it's it's

1722
01:27:57,609 --> 01:27:55,340
a pretty it's a pretty mixed bag but I

1723
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:57,619
yeah there there see they're females

1724
01:28:02,259 --> 01:28:01,280
they're women in there and now and maybe

1725
01:28:05,589 --> 01:28:02,269
they're just not running the

1726
01:28:12,069 --> 01:28:05,599
organizations or something you know it's

1727
01:28:14,259 --> 01:28:12,079
really interesting when here's another

1728
01:28:16,509 --> 01:28:14,269
interesting thing Jim mostly used to say

1729
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:16,519
why is it that there are no Afro

1730
01:28:21,699 --> 01:28:19,550
Americans and the UFO field well not

1731
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:21,709
only are there your Afro Americans

1732
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:23,090
involved in it they have their own UFO

1733
01:28:31,359 --> 01:28:27,530
groups they've got there yes and and

1734
01:28:34,569 --> 01:28:31,369
they've got more members than we do yes

1735
01:28:36,759 --> 01:28:34,579
there's there's what there's one a group

1736
01:28:39,609 --> 01:28:36,769
that's up in Harlem and they have all

1737
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:39,619
their stuff posted on on YouTube and

1738
01:28:42,549 --> 01:28:41,090
they have meetings I don't know once or

1739
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:42,559
twice a year and they seem to have their

1740
01:28:49,989 --> 01:28:46,880
own versions of us yes yes which it is

1741
01:28:52,419 --> 01:28:49,999
it I mean I look in the index yeah of

1742
01:28:55,379 --> 01:28:52,429
Jeff Jarrett Clark's yeah massive UFO

1743
01:28:58,109 --> 01:28:55,389
encyclopedia which is unexplored

1744
01:29:00,120 --> 01:28:58,119
work for Louis Farrakhan yeah no

1745
01:29:05,010 --> 01:29:00,130
reference yeah yeah Louis Farrakhan is

1746
01:29:09,959 --> 01:29:05,020
the most well known UFO abductees hmm in

1747
01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:09,969
the world say he god I don't think that

1748
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:12,150
uses that phrase

1749
01:29:19,260 --> 01:29:15,940
well Muhammad Ali of course - he's a

1750
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:19,270
follower of the Elijah Muhammad right

1751
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:21,850
and part of their he gave me when I

1752
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:24,280
first met him he gave me a copy the book

1753
01:29:27,890 --> 01:29:25,810
Elijah Muhammad speaks and there's a

1754
01:29:30,689 --> 01:29:27,900
whole chapter in there what they call

1755
01:29:32,399 --> 01:29:30,699
the wheel within a wheel they think that

1756
01:29:35,310 --> 01:29:32,409
there's a giant mothership up there

1757
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:35,320
that's well at first it was they gonna

1758
01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:37,150
just save the black people but now it

1759
01:29:41,370 --> 01:29:38,860
looks like it's it's got a little bit

1760
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,380
more interracial as they've they've

1761
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:43,360
gotten along or something but yeah it's

1762
01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:45,790
part of their belief system so they

1763
01:29:49,109 --> 01:29:47,320
don't have to talk about it because it's

1764
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:49,119
like going to church you don't talk

1765
01:29:54,570 --> 01:29:50,980
about Ezekiel every year a week with you

1766
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:54,580
there so I mean this is all something

1767
01:30:03,350 --> 01:29:57,610
that really I would really love to do to

1768
01:30:12,180 --> 01:30:10,320
I have what I consider to be a broader

1769
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:12,190
spectrum of interests that are

1770
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:14,290
interrelated

1771
01:30:22,209 --> 01:30:17,310
very involved in the broader

1772
01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:25,239
very involved in science fiction

1773
01:30:28,180 --> 01:30:36,320
and I see them as part of a spectrum

1774
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:39,530
I mean I will comment briefly that the

1775
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:42,960
Moorish science church which is also an

1776
01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:45,530
offspring of the same outfit with the

1777
01:30:58,100 --> 01:30:56,030
deformity in the broad sense has been

1778
01:31:02,320 --> 01:30:58,110
incorporated into their fundamental

1779
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:02,330
belief systems so that I have also heard

1780
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:06,300
members of a very awkward for associates

1781
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,960
they're too big

1782
01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:20,770
probably baby boomers

1783
01:31:28,030 --> 01:31:25,070
but in all of these areas with the same

1784
01:31:29,020 --> 01:31:28,040
exception of science fiction that all

1785
01:31:31,839 --> 01:31:29,030
age

1786
01:31:35,979 --> 01:31:31,849
all season

1787
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:35,989
and there was a huge upsurge of interest

1788
01:31:46,270 --> 01:31:39,650
beginning in the case in ethology early

1789
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:48,210
to stay

1790
01:31:55,089 --> 01:31:52,800
or those people have extensions of

1791
01:31:57,609 --> 01:31:55,099
marinating

1792
01:32:00,339 --> 01:31:57,619
so you would have to assume that in fact

1793
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:00,349
it is a generational thing that the team

1794
01:32:06,129 --> 01:32:04,730
ufology is not reproducing no and I

1795
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:06,139
think that's true in these other areas

1796
01:32:11,530 --> 01:32:08,510
as well with the state of exception of

1797
01:32:14,109 --> 01:32:11,540
science fiction they're not aging there

1798
01:32:17,649 --> 01:32:14,119
they have a new generation and it's

1799
01:32:20,919 --> 01:32:17,659
larger much much larger it's becoming in

1800
01:32:23,129 --> 01:32:20,929
fact too large for my tastes

1801
01:32:25,629 --> 01:32:23,139
and it's become sort of a commercial

1802
01:32:28,649 --> 01:32:25,639
institution whereas these other

1803
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:28,659
community college and even

1804
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:31,250
parapsychology which is considered you

1805
01:32:38,319 --> 01:32:34,639
know borderline normal academic interest

1806
01:32:43,419 --> 01:32:38,329
it's the same guys that were around in

1807
01:32:48,500 --> 01:32:43,429
the 1960s and 70s as undergraduates who

1808
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:52,410
senior scientists now but they're still

1809
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:54,850
in that same French community and there

1810
01:32:59,760 --> 01:32:57,730
there aren't any follow-ups the closest

1811
01:33:02,220 --> 01:32:59,770
thing to followers and other people that

1812
01:33:04,110 --> 01:33:02,230
are younger but who take the more

1813
01:33:07,950 --> 01:33:04,120
science fiction

1814
01:33:14,839 --> 01:33:07,960
approach example the interest in more